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Just an idea
« on: December 21, 2015, 10:56:43 AM »
Just a idea, don't have a clue if possible.

One of the problems with crypto coins is matching payments with customers and supplying customers with login data or download links. Creating a unique address for each customer is not really a workable solution and won't solve the backward channel problem anyway.

This post on Bitcointalk gave me an idea:

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I wish you can just make a porn account with out knowing your email and just pay with your btc address and username.


Some coins feature a message system so I wonder if it would be possible that the merchants wallet, after receiving the payment, generates a short msg, like login data for instance, and sends it back. That way the customer even don't need to give out his email address.

Of course login data public viewable in the blockchain won't be a good idea so it needs to be encrypted in some way.

Like said, just thinking loud. No idea if something like that is possible.

PS: Is it OK if I post a link to the online version of the Sexcoin comic on r/Sexcoin?
SXC - S3UJ371J5M7SMjAxFMw8PrVo1Hnx75LVkf

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2015, 07:48:19 PM »
Just a idea, don't have a clue if possible.

One of the problems with crypto coins is matching payments with customers and supplying customers with login data or download links. Creating a unique address for each customer is not really a workable solution and won't solve the backward channel problem anyway.

This post on Bitcointalk gave me an idea:

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I wish you can just make a porn account with out knowing your email and just pay with your btc address and username.


Some coins feature a message system so I wonder if it would be possible that the merchants wallet, after receiving the payment, generates a short msg, like login data for instance, and sends it back. That way the customer even don't need to give out his email address.

Of course login data public viewable in the blockchain won't be a good idea so it needs to be encrypted in some way.

Like said, just thinking loud. No idea if something like that is possible.

PS: Is it OK if I post a link to the online version of the Sexcoin comic on r/Sexcoin?

We're brainstorming that idea but in a different tack. I've been talking to a couple of local guys about the Age Verification problem. The challenge is to come up with a system that preserves a layer of anonymity while still being able to verify age requirements. If that address could somehow be associated with verification information then, yes, thats doable. The hingepin to the whole thing is how do you do initial verification. If we can overcome that hurdle, then we could attach a verification token to the transaction in a number of ways.

Give Nerull a PM about the comix. I think we lost the r/Sexcoin admin, and I know Nerull is working on a subreddit for us.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2015, 07:50:04 PM by lavajumper »

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2015, 08:21:37 PM »
Just a idea, don't have a clue if possible.

One of the problems with crypto coins is matching payments with customers and supplying customers with login data or download links. Creating a unique address for each customer is not really a workable solution and won't solve the backward channel problem anyway.

This post on Bitcointalk gave me an idea:

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I wish you can just make a porn account with out knowing your email and just pay with your btc address and username.


Some coins feature a message system so I wonder if it would be possible that the merchants wallet, after receiving the payment, generates a short msg, like login data for instance, and sends it back. That way the customer even don't need to give out his email address.

Of course login data public viewable in the blockchain won't be a good idea so it needs to be encrypted in some way.

Like said, just thinking loud. No idea if something like that is possible.

PS: Is it OK if I post a link to the online version of the Sexcoin comic on r/Sexcoin?

That's an easy problem to solve. There already exists a solution (just requires some funding to buy it) that need to be adapted to SXC.

There are two point of views to think about:
- users/customers mostly prefer solutions where they don't need to give any personal information to the merchant, just buy, pay, receive
- merchants are trying to collect some information to create a user base. Sending out newsletters, having a history of purchased products to provide other matching products and so on.

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2015, 08:25:47 PM »
We're brainstorming that idea but in a different tack. I've been talking to a couple of local guys about the Age Verification problem. The challenge is to come up with a system that preserves a layer of anonymity while still being able to verify age requirements. If that address could somehow be associated with verification information then, yes, thats doable. The hingepin to the whole thing is how do you do initial verification. If we can overcome that hurdle, then we could attach a verification token to the transaction in a number of ways.

The major question is: What kind of verification do you think about? Nearly each country has different laws regarding adult content and youth protection. While in the USA it common that users just confirm they are older than 18, there are other countries like Germany, where they have very strict laws which makes it nearly impossible to sell adult content without breaking the laws. So before thinking about how to solve it, you need to decide which kind of verification will be used. Showing ID Card via Skype/Webcam? Just confirm the age using an OK/Cancel button?

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2015, 09:39:22 PM »
We've been trying to come up with a "tiered verification schema", where different levels satisfy different needs. So if you're in germany, you require a tier 3 verification, if you are in say madagascar you only need a tier 1.

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2015, 11:02:03 PM »
We've been trying to come up with a "tiered verification schema", where different levels satisfy different needs. So if you're in germany, you require a tier 3 verification, if you are in say madagascar you only need a tier 1.

Sounds good.
I'll make some thoughs about this topic.

Two other questions come to my mind regarding age check:
- Although it would be a nice feature to have, how big is the demand (regarding priority of developing this feature) as most adult stuff is already sold with the typical age verification mechanisms?
- A typical weak spot would be that even if with verified age, the content seller could never be 100% sure that the person, who currently purchases, really is over 18. The 13yo son of the wallet owner could use daddy's mobile or PC wallet. That's also the weak spot most age verification systems have.

EDIT: Found older conversations about this topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50715.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22946.msg289276#msg289276
« Last Edit: December 22, 2015, 12:55:37 AM by Tom »

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2015, 02:32:25 AM »
We have lost the r/girlsgonesexcoin but we still have r/sexcoin. Feel free to link away anything sexcoin related in there cause we want more traffic.


As for the verification stuff, Depending on what country you are in the ok/cancel is enough for ppl looking at shit, but most places require performers to have a more detailed verification so they arent pumping out what is legally CP. So for now if we had a system we could do manual verification on the performers side which would help a lot

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2015, 06:09:39 PM »
One of the best features we brainstormed about that system above was that it could be a two-way verification. So both ends could verify each other's legality w/o having any personal information change hands. That way it would protect the consumer in that they would know the performer isn't under-age, and the performer would be protected in knowing the viewer wasn't under-aged. However, married with a jealous spouse is beyond the scope :D

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2015, 09:20:49 AM »
I am a moderator/admin of r/girlsgonesexcoin.    It's been pretty quiet.   I don't think we've "lost control" though.  Let me know if a change is needed....

We have lost the r/girlsgonesexcoin but we still have r/sexcoin. Feel free to link away anything sexcoin related in there cause we want more traffic.

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2015, 12:01:58 PM »
We have lost the r/girlsgonesexcoin but we still have r/sexcoin. Feel free to link away anything sexcoin related in there cause we want more traffic.

Posted the SCI splash page at r/sexcoin and add the link to the online version after i am allowed to post again ( have to wait 8 minutes  :( ) Will add more the next days.
SXC - S3UJ371J5M7SMjAxFMw8PrVo1Hnx75LVkf

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2015, 05:17:05 PM »
I am a moderator/admin of r/girlsgonesexcoin.    It's been pretty quiet.   I don't think we've "lost control" though.  Let me know if a change is needed....

We have lost the r/girlsgonesexcoin but we still have r/sexcoin. Feel free to link away anything sexcoin related in there cause we want more traffic.

Awesome! Welcome back! Does that mean we can start "working it"?

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2015, 10:02:42 PM »
Lava, if you send me your reddit ID I can add you as an admin.

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Re: Just an idea
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 10:00:47 AM »
this is interesting, actually

 

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